This episode is in Spanish, and you can find the English transcript below. To find out why we’ve changed languages for this one, check out Episode 74.
Pilar interviews Cristian Curto and Roberto Shlesinger, hosts of the podcast “La gran renuncia” (The Great Resignation). They share how they met (I’ve never heard a story like this one) and how Cristian’s radio background and Roberto’s remote work expertise led to the creation of their podcast. They share how they look for guests, their workflow, and the impact of remote work and podcasting on various aspects of life. Cristian also shares his experiences teaching podcasting to students and adults. Roberto reflects on how hosting the podcast has influenced his own remote work practices.
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TRANSCRIPT
PILAR
Hello, dear podcasters, and welcome to, well, a very special episode of adventures in podcasting. Because we’re going to experiment doing a bilingual show on the fly. And well, you will see what happens whether I translate afterwards, i don’t know how we’re going to do it, but for now we’re just going to carry out this wonderful, bilingual conversation with the two hosts of La gran renuncia, The Great Resignation, which, well, they will tell you all about what the podcast is about, but I will let them now just say hello to you.
CRISTIAN
My name is Cristian Curto, I am a podcaster, radio broadcaster and social communicator.
ROBERTO
My name is Roberto Shlesinger, I am the director of a completely remote company in Latin America and also a podcaster.
PILAR
Great. Today we’re going to be talking about podcasting. And my first question and we’ll see who goes first, we’ll just play that by ear. Why, why and how did you start podcasting?
CRISTIAN
Well, I have worked in radio, FM radio, since I was 14,15 years old. I always followed the path of radio, I specialized in sound editing, I worked at the faculty, at the communications faculty here in my country, in the province where I live, in Córdoba. So it was always a life closely linked to the radio. And suddenly when the medium begins to change, I see that FM radios no longer have the same level of listening. I started working and specializing in the podcast format around 14-13 years ago, when it was just starting out in Europe.
From there I began to investigate it, I began to work for the university to investigate the format, to develop and see that the podcast gave me many more tools to transmit sound than the fm narrative, than the radio narrative. Simply put, the podcast is a world of sound and I am passionate about sound.
So from there I began to develop and specialize in podcast production, podcast editing, not only podcasts, but also different sound productions, such as audio guides, soundscapes, radio plays and everything that has to do with good sound, and after many years on that long path, luckily I have crossed paths with Roberto, who is now going to tell us a little about his encounter with this format.
ROBERTO
I have formally managing a team remotely since 2010, that is, long before the pandemic. And we have a team distributed in different countries in Latin America, in Venezuela, Colombia, Miami, well, Miami, North America, in Argentina and Ecuador. So I was always passionate about the topic of remote management, because of the challenge that a manager has and all the wonderful things that were emerging.
Well, starting with the cloud, because before I started working without the cloud, it was a little more complicated, but then with the cloud, all the wonderful applications and I saw that the company could be managed and grown remotely. And I wanted to present, let’s say, the experience, the information. And well, at the time I ran into Cristian, who had an activity on a radio station here in the rural area where we are, and he invited me to share ideas, because at that time we were also creating networking, some meetings and part of it was How to present the idea of remote work. That was before the pandemic.
And well, there I met Cristian in his part as a radio host and he invited me and all that. And then I said, hey Cristian, why don’t we do a podcast on all these topics that have to do with remote management and digital nomadism in general, also remote work obviously, but more than anything focused on remote management.
CRISTIAN
Well, it all started with hitchhiking. I want to tell the anecdote of how we met Robert, because I came out of the radio and started hitchhiking, because we live in a rural town, on a road and there Robert passed by with the truck, he picked me up and I also liked it a lot of talking to people and asking questions.
We started chatting and he told me about what he was doing, since I was having a very bad time at one of the jobs where I was and they were not closing some work issues for me, I thought of course, this remote work thing is right. And Robert began to give me all his knowledge, all his expertise in those 5 minutes. From what I thought about remote work, about remote management, about this whole world that was new to me.
And I say, of course, come and chat on my program, let’s talk about a personal issue as well, because the truth is that it opened a new world to me. When he proposed that I do the podcast, well, we met at a lumbar table and started to diagram it. He had a lot of content, a lot of expertise in remote work, remote management, above all, and we put it together with my expertise in radio production and from there we made different proposals, the structure, the narrative, where it is spoken from, to whom it is spoken, how it is spoken, on what platforms. Well, it was quite a journey until we managed to make the first episode.
PILAR
How did you start? Did you record an episode and release it? Did you record a couple of episodes?
ROBERTO
No, if we start, in fact, October 2022, we started looking for people to interview. In fact we started with people with quite a bit of experience. The first episode was with an economist who works at Stanford University, with the whole issue of remote work. José María Barrero.
PILAR
Oh yes, he works with Nicolas Bloom, right?
ROBERTO
Exactly, with Bloom. So the idea was like this, to start fully with people who know about the subject, have studied the subject, and we start with it. And the idea was to propose an episode every week. And well, so far we have achieved it.
PILAR
And the decision to have guests versus, for example, the two of you talking about something, what was that like?
ROBERTO
Initially, yes, we had episodes… I think the first chapter was more like an introductory one, but more because of the idea of bringing people, not only like, let’s say, putting my experience and participating in episodes and working on them, but rather the idea is bring a guest who is an expert in remote work, remote management or digital nomadism, and interview them. And Cristian, well, with the experience he has as an announcer and the media, he helped a lot to put together this concept of interviews.
CRISTIAN
I was also going to point out that every time we were going to do an episode by ourselves, every time I discovered this world of remote work, meeting people, meeting people who told me that what I felt when I worked with micromanagement was not bad, I became more and more passionate about it. They recommended books, they recommended videos. Roberto was passing things on to me.
Then we started contacting people and talking to people, and talking and talking and now, we don’t stop, because the truth is that it has been exciting, exciting. And apart from talking to people from all over the world and seeing this magical thing that the podcast has and that remote work has, that you see someone in Sweden, you hear someone in the US, in Spain, in England, who feels with respect to, in this case, work life or life the same as you, but on the other side of the world.
We are in a rural environment, in a very small town in the interior of Argentina, in the province of Córdoba. I am in Capilla del Monte Robert in Los Cocos, and it is in the middle, in the middle of Argentina, a very, very small rural environment and to have the same feeling with another person, in another part of the world, has really been transformed into a passion. It became an unstoppable passion.
PILAR
It is very curious that the world of podcasting is mixing a little with the remote world, which for me have always had so many things in common, because they are media that transcend geographical spaces, they are media that exist on an asynchronous plane, as we are now, like the one we have with our listeners. But look, I had never thought about it like that, it’s very interesting.
And how do you decide then, having the world of guests open, how do you decide among yourselves, well, how do you manage the episodes in a way, so to speak? Who is dedicated to editing? How do you do those tasks together?
ROBERTO
Many of us use LinkedIn to meet people who are in this medium, and there you contact them, they ask you to see if you are interested in participating, but it is like one person leads to another from the beginning, the first ones we interview, in addition You learn a lot, I mean, I have learned, Cristian, I who have experience, let’s say, in remote management, first I have seen a huge world because sometimes you think that there are few who are in it, and suddenly there are a huge world of companies, and well, big companies, you see that there is a dynamic and that is what pleases us very much, to see that there is a whole dynamic of a movement in crescendo.
And also what Cristian said, well, the rural world that we are passionate about. I am between Miami and this area, but we are always passionate about the rural world and we have had super interesting interviews about projects that several of them in Spain, well, because of all this problem of what they call, for example, in They call Spain empty Spain, all this migration of people to the cities and that remote work allows all this change. And as we see, we have seen that everything about remote work, really a revolution, we see it as something very comprehensive in many spaces. It has been interesting because we have not only touched on the digital nomad or remote work per se, with all the points that it entails, but also remote management and also the rural aspects, all the activities that are being done, which we love because we identify, because we believe in the rural environment, we like it, we see that there is tremendous potential and it has been very enriching to share similar experiences and activities of groups that are working remotely and in rural areas.
PILAR
And that’s the finding the guests part. And then what do you do? Each person is a point of contact for a guest. How do you do that? Cristian?
CRISTIAN
Roberto is thinking a little, he is like, let’s say, the head in that sense, because he is the one who knows the most about remote management, about the quality of information regarding that. I learn a lot in that sense. And Robert has the tact, the experience and the background to be able to feel out which character, which person is interesting to interview and which is not. So, well, he gives me all the candidates and I’m more of a radio producer’s attack dog, so I get it, until I get it, I don’t stop. So there I go organizing the entire agenda of the podcast interviewees. From there, well, we record and then I’m also in charge of editing, which I basically dedicated myself to quite a while ago.
So well, from there we organized ourselves into this team that has been formed, which is really impressive to me. A kind of mutual teaching that we learn from both of us. Very nice. And I also want to add that the podcast has taken us to wonderful places, such as the Nómada Bi conference in Buenos Aires, to also meet Dan Kashel or Gonçalo Hall, leaders of digital nomadism, in Buenos Aires. And being with people, well, talking to you, Pilar, we are really very grateful for the mentions you have made in your latest episodes on our podcast. And it is an honor from this small place in Argentina to be able to contact all these people and with you, it is wonderful. And this is thanks, since it is a podcast about podcast, this is thanks to the podcast. I am grateful to this format and this form of narrative.
PILAR
And have you done any live episodes?
CRISTIAN
Not live, because in general in Argentina we did not have a reliable Internet connection in the places where we were to be able to transmit live streaming. But if what we did was record, for example, if you search on YouTube or on Spotify, you will have recordings from, for example, Nomad va, the conference that held the city of Buenos Aires with digital. We took the computer for the thousand-ninth, and we interviewed the speakers who were coming out. And also Dan Calle, Gonçalo Hall, we went to interview them at a coworking at the little machine and greetings to the people at the little machine where they live, let’s say. But we didn’t go live because the Internet connection in the places where we were was always very, very doubtful. And well, there are enough nerves there with interviewing a person to be in the back of their neck all the time, with the issue of whether the connection is going to fall or not. You understand me, right?
PILAR
Yes, yes, completely.
CRISTIAN
And I end up with my cell phone data, sometimes, to avoid sweating so much, that’s also true.
PILAR
Yes Yes Yes Yes.
ROBERTO
If you allow me to also add to what Cristian said, the plan we have is to go out into the streets in the sense of contacting people in the areas of economics, anthropology, sociology, because we see that this remote work applies to many, many sciences, we are going to that is, the study of the person. And we want to do that here in Argentina, in Córdoba, which is the closest city, perhaps Buenos Aires too, but to touch on these topics with those sciences that I mention to you. And we also have the idea of interviewing people on the street, for example, live interviews, to understand what they think, what they know or what they think about remote work, what information can come out spontaneously from a city environment in the street.
PILAR
Wow. That is fantastic. Because get out of this world of experts that we are in, where we all know what we are talking about, and really see the profile of this new way of working in people who are not obsessed with it, or who carry it. Ah, that’s fantastic. Excellent. And do you live nearby?
CRISTIAN
Yes, we live a few kilometers away, I think it will be less than 10 km between the two towns. Roberto comes quite the same to work here in Capilla del Monte, which is the town where I have been residing for 15 years. So that makes it easier for us too. But it must also be said that Robert travels a lot for his work. So there are many consecutive months where the podcast is produced remotely, and suddenly, sometimes Robert was in quite distant countries and he would come to me like WhatsApp at 3:00 in the morning. And I say what’s wrong with Roberto that he’s messaging me? And then I started to say, of course, the time zone where Robert is now is 12 hours. Maybe an idea occurred to him suddenly at night, but oh well. And there we live firsthand the issue of asynchronous work, right? Being able to send messages, listening, the issue of anxiety, as we have talked about in the podcasts, well, managing those times. So it is produced on the one hand personally, but a lot of it is also produced remotely, and a large part also, I say, synchronously. So we saw the same thing we talked about in the podcast firsthand when producing it.
PILAR
I have seen that you have guests who speak in English, others speak in Spanish. Have you had any guests, any other language that has passed through it, through the podcast or especially in English and Spanish?
ROBERTO
No, in English mainly. And well, nothing, what we do is, we leave the guest’s answer in English as such, but we edit the question later in Spanish.
CRISTIAN
If we no longer dare, I think we’ll go to another language, this one with English, but it’s already a lot, it seems to me, as they say here in Argentina, it’s a lot, it’s already too much. Maybe this is one if in Italy it was an Italian, but he was half Spanish, half Italian, Italian. If there is someone who talked about kohouse in Italy, so no, it’s wonderful.
ROBERTO
And also from Brazil, Portuguese, we have also interviewed Brazilians.
CRISTIAN
Juliana Rabi.
ROBERTO
Yes, exactly. But hey, they are people who defend themselves in Spanish and there is no problem with that.
PILAR
But now that we’re doing this episode in Spanish and I was thinking, okay, how can we manage it? It’s very good because one, we have another Hispanic audience that is not an audience, the Spanish-speaking audience that is not my audience normally, that is, phenomenal. And then now with artificial intelligence this is not going to be very difficult. There will be some creativity either. Many years ago I did a bilingual podcast with my friend Craig Adams, who is also a podcaster, and we did the first half in Spanish, talking to podcasters in Spanish, and then we did the second half in English, just him and me. And were you thinking now what that would have been like if we did it now?
CRISTIAN
I also think it’s wonderful the contribution of artificial intelligence to this and to podcasting and how it adds up and that there is a whole gap that is opening up, that the world of radio, of FM is still there, but that the world of sound is It has opened. So invite this, invite you to explore how sonorous it is, which is wonderful.
PILAR
Yes Yes. Do you use technology that way? Are you doing any experiments to incorporate CHATGPT or Eleven Labs or some other technology yet or enough with what there is.
ROBERTO
No, but it’s a good idea.
CRISTIAN
No, for now in production we are very analog in that sense. But it is not ruled out. No, it is not ruled out because they are new trends, new things that would be good to incorporate and that contribute a lot, I think.
PILAR
When there is a need, right?
ROBERTO
Yes, yes, you can even search for topics or questions via Chatgpt.
PILAR
And by the way, speaking of Rural Argentina, do you speak Spanish, what profile does podcasting have in Argentina? Do you move with other podcasters? In Argentina people listen to a lot of podcasting.
CRISTIAN
Well, in Latin America podcasting is in a germinal stage, let’s say, it is just beginning. It is not as developed as in Europe, much less as in Spain. Only now are there some people who are dedicated to studying, let’s say, podcasting consumption. But nevertheless, there are both in Argentina and in Córdoba, for example, platforms that produce their own podcasts, there are podcaster meetings. But it is still, in my opinion, a small pocket that is trying to expand. In general, always middle class, between 25 and 35 or 50 years old, expanding a little towards teenagers. I teach in secondary school, at the intermediate level, I don’t know what it will be like, how do they say it in Spain? High school for what?
PILAR
14 years old or so?
CRISTIAN
Of course, from 13 to 17 years old. I teach at that level, I teach podcast classes. And in general the youngest students are not very connected with the format. In general, the older ones begin to listen a little. But well, it seems to me that in Argentina it is in a germinal stage, much more so in rural areas, if not because of people who migrated from the cities, I don’t know how they are going to steal it.
ROBERTO
Yes, yes, totally, Cristian. I think that little by little the use of podcasts is expanding more. And well, podcasts in Spanish, podcasts are coming out in Spanish, not as much as the number of podcasts in English, but that’s exactly how it is developing.
PILAR
And Cristian, you said you teach podcasting.
CRISTIAN
Yes, actually, well, yes, I take the podcast wherever I go, let’s say, it doesn’t come with, it comes with me. And I teach technology classes, actually in the subject, in secondary school, in secondary education it is technology and programming. And well, I give a little of that, but I can’t help organizing workshops about podcasts, producing podcasts with my students. I have also had a podcast workshop here in Capilla del Monte, at the primary level, that is, from seven to 10 years. So we did it in a not very fluid way. There are ways to do podcasts with little kids, it’s more about recording in parts, it’s a lot of editing, but hey, there are ways for each level. So I began to specialize a little in that, in seeing how to teach the youngest children. Afterwards, if you want I can give you the link that is on Spotify, the podcasts. Yes, yes, we also made audio guides with the kids, as I told you, expanding sound formats. Audio guides that describe the historical places of Capilla del Monte, which is where we live, which we did with a primary school here, from a primary school for six to 12 years old in Capilla del Monte, which is where I live. And well, we worked quite a bit on that. And I also worked with adults, but I am very passionate about, let’s say, great things come out of it.
PILAR
Yes. And with primary school do you use microphones, microphones or do you use phones? How do you introduce them to the environment?
CRISTIAN
No, I have this microphone that I have here, which is the one we always use, which is quite professional, because when kids see a microphone, like most people, they get passionate, they go crazy, they want to talk. A telephone is perhaps a little more everyday, we use that in the time of pandemic. But when I took my computer to primary school, the microphone, then they passed each other, they grabbed the microphone, talking. So one had to tell him, well, at this distance you can grab it like this, the light is on, no one laughs, complete silence. Well, all, all codes. Sure, all codes from the podcaster, but in eight or nine year old children. So everyone wanted to talk and well, let’s see, what did you prepare to talk about? No, if you don’t have anything to talk about you can’t say anything, because you have to prepare the thing to talk. Good, perfect. Are we preparing to talk about what topic? And so we went from different themes and different issues that interested them, to issues agreed upon with the school.
So we were meditating a little about what the school wanted, the kids wanted, and we were editing them in podcast format, from favorite songs, history of songs, history of places, experiences, town customs, all kinds of things. And it really has been a very, very nice experience. I gave it, what is called a countershift here, that if they have it in the morning, I gave it in the afternoon or vice versa. So yes, podcasting for kids is a very interesting project.
PILAR
Excellent. It’s true that when you have a microphone in front of you you want to talk, and it’s funny to me that that’s still the case too. Roberto, you had made recordings before this. What was your experience creating or speaking in public?
ROBERTO
No, zero, zero. It started with this podcast and well, with Cristian’s guidance, with experience, we fine-tuned things. But nothing, my experience is with the podcast, basically.
PILAR
Oops, now he’s gone.
CRISTIAN
The rural area, you saw that he went to send us a WhatsApp. But.
PILAR
Look, while you’re at it, tell me more about the type of educational work. You have also said that you also give adult workshops, or adult classes too, around podcasting.
CRISTIAN
Of course, because for example, I had to teach classes for the teachers union of the province of Córdoba, so I gave podcasting for use in the classroom. So we worked on how to teach through the podcast there was a different audience. We taught teachers how to use and what the podcast meant in the classroom and construct their own discourse. In fact, we also worked a little with the concept of free software, because sometimes there are no resources, at least in Argentina, to pay for proprietary editing software, I suppose. So, well, we worked a little on free software, on what it meant and especially the podcast format and started exploring a little. The teachers did not make podcasts, that is, we made a podcast experience themselves, but the most important thing was that they transmitted it to their students. And he has had experiences of teaching a kindergarten teacher, for example, who worked on podcasts with kindergartners, but doing like small radio plays, very small, very tiny, about historical episodes.
Suppose in Argentina the May Revolution, for those who don’t know, is the first national government, on May 25, 1810. Well, for example, May 25 is a national date here in Argentina. So they used it as an educational product, as an educational experience to work with the kids. So for each level we see how the podcast can fit there. And for secondary school, for example, we had a podcast series that we did last year about the novel 1984 by George Orwell, because I had to see it in the program, so I said let’s make a podcast about this. And the podcast is always present. So we take the computer, we record, already in high school, when they are older, they edit and edit very well, and very, very nice things emerge. Let’s go through the script, how is it scripted? There is a lot of resistance to scripting, because it is thought that making a podcast is, as they say in Argentina, blowing and making bottles, that is, doing it by opening the microphone and speaking.
But that’s not true. One has to think, one has to script, one has to select words, one has to structure structures. And no, well, but the microphone that occurs to me, well, it’s not like that. To the people listening I say it’s not that simple. One later he goes and it seems to me like Pilar, I don’t know what you think, but he incorporates the script into his mind and then he takes it out. But first there is a script, there is a structure, doesn’t one thing come first, then the other, randomly, right? So I had to teach this, because script writing also teaches us how to think, it teaches how to think, how to speak. First you have to say one thing, then you have to say another, in a certain way, in a certain way, you have to close in a certain way so that what you are saying is also attractive to the public, not adding humorous things, not being boring. Well, the script teaches all that and well, sorry, but I can spend hours talking about this.
PILAR
No, it’s very good, it’s very good. No thank you very much. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but it’s true. And you are also touching a bit on returning to the fact that Roberto is his first time with this type of communication. It’s everything you’re saying, which is not just learning to do the podcast and learning to be behind the microphone, but it requires a way of thinking and thinking about how you are going to communicate, what you want to communicate, what you are interested in communicating. . It’s all, podcasting is all an internal reflection too. So it is very interesting that this has to be made explicit, especially to young people, because it seems like such an easy and spontaneous means, but no, there is much, much behind it.
Okay, let’s continue. I wanted to, Roberto, we have been talking with Cristian about his teaching work, but Roberto, I wanted to ask you then, what has been your experience of making the podcast, of establishing yourself in this medium?
ROBERTO
Extremely interesting. I mean, I think it’s great. First you learn a lot, because as they were saying before, right? You have to prepare, it’s not like you go out to talk spontaneously and what we do is study the person we are going to interview and that takes time, but you also learn a lot about the other person, about what they do, about this whole issue of remote work. And for me it has been a learning experience. Every time we interview someone it is a learning experience, not only in the interview itself, but also getting to know the person, what they do and what other things there are.
PILAR
And have you learned anything about your ways of working or your ways of communicating through interviews, from working with Cristian?
ROBERTO
Yes, look, the whole part about how to carry out the conversation, the points, because at the beginning I kind of wrote down all the questions, exactly what I was going to ask, like a little nervous, right? What was going to be played? And now I relax a little, I relax and let the topic flow and the questions go according to what the person being interviewed is talking about. There is always a scheme, we have a scheme of where we want to direct the interview, but it is more relaxed, that is, it is a little more fluid and we let ourselves be guided by where the conversation is going with the interviewee.
PILAR
The topic of the podcast, which is remote work and management, is very tied to your practice. How is it linked to your work?
ROBERTO
Yes, yes, I work remotely and manage a remote team and all these issues have to do with my day-to-day work. I mean, I learn a lot from everything that is talked about in the podcast and there are also many things that I confirm, like I see that others do them.
PILAR
And is there any specific practice or any specific thing that has influenced you more than another? Can I imagine all the people you are talking to?
ROBERTO
Look, in general we touch on many points that I put into practice, but there are topics that I have seen that are important and that in my company we are seeking to develop well, which is the entire written part, the entire part of the company as such, that it exists as a testament, a manual of all the company’s activities, of all the rules or culture of the company, that it is written and that this is something that is fed each time. And above all, new personnel who arrive, who have the information already written. That’s one thing I’ve seen a lot of companies do and it’s guided me a little bit in that regard.
PILAR
Fantastic. And Cristian, you have said that your meeting with Roberto and then the podcast has opened up a whole world. How have you changed as a professional and as a collaborator through everything you have been listening to on the podcast?
CRISTIAN
Well, they never grab me for a micromanagement job again. Never in life. First ever. I mean, I already discovered this, it’s already a one-way path, now. I’ll never go back to that again. And it gives me a world of options and ways to work and to relate to the workplace, right? Like, well, this is the first thing that happened to me, that I have always, for a long time, been very bothered by long, useless meetings, let’s say, and I saw things that didn’t close me in that. And when I see that there are people who are studying it, I see that Robert raises this issue to me, he opens my mind about it, I say of course, here it goes. So I try to hack all those long meetings that make no sense, that one is not there. At least I try to make it, that it becomes a loom, or that it becomes a well-written email, or that it becomes a document in a cloud. But it really made me rethink my relationship with work, see how wrong I was for a long time and above all value, value myself, value my work, value myself professionally, it has a lot to do with it.
This was a life changer for me. It may not seem like that much, which is why I always say that remote work is much more than adopting a computer. Behind that instrumental issue we see a whole change, a change of valuing our time, valuing our work, organizing ourselves better, meeting many people. So my work life has really changed a lot and of course my daily life too, because working remotely gave me more time, as we generally said, on the podcast to be able to enjoy other issues, not giving myself time, working in a way more organized, more quiet, more calm, it has really improved my quality of life a lot. So well, I am very grateful to Robert for this, remote work, to all the people I have met and whom I am constantly drawing on as an example, as an example to follow.
PILAR
Perfect. Well, we are going to close more than anything for time, but I think I could also ask you 50,000 more questions, but hey, we can do part two at some point. What’s the last thing you’d want to say to your audience, whether it’s about having done a podcast with someone out of a spontaneous encounter or about the medium of podcasting? What do you want to close with? We start Roberto.
ROBERTO
Pilar, thank you very much for this opportunity and this space. And also grateful for mentioning us on your podcast, I love your podcasts. And nothing, I think that what we are trying to contribute a little is trying to make it understood that this remote work is totally a revolution, as we had talked about, that affects many spaces, not only as Cristian says, grabbing a computer and working from anywhere, I think it is affecting the entire organization in all aspects. That is why we want to go into a little more depth about topics including philosophical issues of life, sociology, anthropology, economics, etc. So I think there is still a lot to develop in this type of life.
CRISTIAN
Well, first of all, thank you Pilar for the good vibes you always have with us, for mentioning us in the episodes, for this interview, really grateful, grateful, grateful to your listeners too and suggesting that they immerse themselves in the world of sound, of podcasts Every profession has its sound, every life has its sound, it has its way of transmitting itself sonorously and perhaps everyone in their professions, from a lawyer to an artist, can see the way to transform it into sound, whether by making a podcast, Whether it’s making soundscapes, whether it’s making radio plays, maybe I can express it sonically and it’s very nice to be investigated, to be explored, whether to listen or to produce, but sound has a lot to give. So with that I wanted to close and eternal gratitude to you and your audience, Pilar.
PILAR
Well, thank you very much Roberto Schlesinger and Cristian Curto from La Gran Renuncia/ Apart from of course sending our listeners, our dear podcasters to listen to the great resignation on Spotify, any site, we send them some other website, well, you.
CRISTIAN
You can find us on Instagram as workationplanet la granrenuncia. And if not, Roberto also writes analysis on the topic of remote work on the Workationplanet blog. There you will have the blog where Robert does very, but I recommend it, very, very good analysis of the different topics of remote, asynchronous work and so on. But hey, that’s for easy reading, with a lot of data. Very nice, fantastic.
PILAR
We will put all the links in the show notes. And well, thank you for this. I loved it, I loved it. We have gone everywhere. I loved it, I loved it. So thank you very much Roberto and Cristian.
ROBERTO
Thank you, Pilar.
CRISTIAN
Very good, thanks to you. A hug.
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